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You can play at it every week right here
on music time in Africa club join me on
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the local Afghan stage for
Sunday's at 15120100.
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This is v.o.a.
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Numerous I'm Joe Palca and the number one
priority for him are still going to is
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the health and safety of the
American people President Trump in
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a rare official appearance before reporters
yesterday reassuring the country that
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his plan fully embraces the challenges of
the spreading coronavirus A.P.'s Sagar
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Magon a reports the c.d.c.
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Says
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a person in California has been infected
someone who does not appear to have traveled
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abroad or been exposed to another patient
if confirmed it would be the 1st American
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case of what's known as
community spread the c.d.c.
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Announced the worrisome development minutes
after President Trump took to the White
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House briefing room podium to minimize
fears that the virus will keep spreading I
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don't think it's inevitable
I think that there's
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a chance that it could get worse as the
chance to get fairly substantially worse
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but nothing's inevitable he says there is
no reason to panic at the government's
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very very ready for
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a potential outbreak standing alongside
health officials who urged Americans to be
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prepared Saager Megami Washington the
corona virus has infected at least 82000
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people in more than 40 countries since
it emerged in China in late December
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Japanese prime minister Shinzo Abbate called
for schools to close for several weeks
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residents of South Sudan's oil rich ruling
County have petitioned the country's
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supreme court demanding millions of dollars
in compensation for oil spills that
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have polluted the environment lawyers
representing the ruling community filed the
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petition that the Supreme Court 3 weeks ago
following what they call repeated human
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rights violations by oil companies that
failed to maintain their pipelines which
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have burst numerous times spilling crude
oil into surrounding land and water
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residents say the oil leaks have caused
deformities in newborns children being born
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prematurely and deaths This
is video way news. The
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United States and the Taliban will sign an
agreement on February 29th at the end of
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a planned weeklong reduction and violence
in Afghanistan storing fresh hopes for an
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end to the protracted conflict
the agreement could represent
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a chance for peace and a pull
out of thousands of u.s.
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Troops that have been in
the country since u.s.
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Led forces ousted the hardline Islamist
Taliban from power in 2001 this comes at
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a time when Afghanistan's election body
declared incumbent Ashraf Ghani the winner
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of
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a disputed presidential election almost 5
months after voting took place in September
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of 2019 Kenyan police are calling on residents
of the country's northeast along the
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border with Somalia to do more to help them
combat out Shabaab militants especially
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for the sake of their teachers Mohammad
Yousuf reports the debate on the future of
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education in northeastern Kenya has entered
the corridors of Parliament us to just
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6 one's 1st areas outside the region the
teachers saw this commission an agency
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task with straining hiring and placing
instructors across the country said $42.00
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teachers have been killed since 2014
at the hands of Somali militant group
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al-Shabaab the head of
the commission assume
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a Sharia defended their withdrawal of
teachers from the terror hate areas in the
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Northeast it's true children need.
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To realize. Is something. In January
3 teachers were killed when
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a type can move their
primary school in chorus
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a county Mohammad Yousuf Avia news now
Robi the education of some 10000 school
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children in the Northeast hangs in the
balance as the local and national leaders
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search for solutions
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a British court is still considering whether
Julian Assange should be extradited to
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the u.s. To face espionage charges they
were keep Leaks founder could benefit from
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a growing wave of support across Europe
Nicholas Pinole has more from. So high
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profile case of Julian Assange has brother
number of lawyers who claim to defend
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the man who considers himself
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a whistleblower in friends one of the
members of his legal team wants President
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Emmanuel McCraw to rent her silent to
her son who is jelly London and faces
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extradition to the United
States Eric to palm already
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a well known French lawyer claims that your
own process is unfair to this with this
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he explains that the
United States want to have
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a political process and that freedom of
press is threatened with this case he says
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the Constitution of the United States
would prevent the prosecution of a u.s.
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Citizen for such facts if you bomb already
says the Us Supreme Court stated clearly
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in different decisions that freedom of
expression cannot be prosecuted as it is the
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case with us Ange nickel
has been all for v.o.a.
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News parents and I'm Joe Palca. Us.
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With Today is Thursday November 27th and
this is video is international edition I'm
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Jason Patinkin in Washington
coming up hip hop artist Jay z.
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Is helping soothe the u.s.
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State of Mississippi over conditions of
Prisons prisons are not safe for anyone.
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Plus protests and arrests in Canada over
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a pipeline on indigenous territory and
the latest on the covert $1000.00 corona
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virus outbreak Those
stories and more are next.
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The head of the World Health
Organization said Thursday it would be
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a quote fatal mistake and quote for any
country to assume it will not be hit by the
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new coronavirus w.h.o.
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Director general Tadros gibber
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a user also said that rich countries that
might have thought they were safer should
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expect surprises he also said the
covert 1000 outbreak is that
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a quote decisive moment and quote as
countries race to prepare Saudi Arabia on
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Thursday banned foreign pilgrims from
entering the kingdom to visit Islam's holiest
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sites over the new coronavirus potentially
disrupting the plans of millions of
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faithful ahead of the fasting month of
Ramadan and the annual harsh pilgrimage
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Meanwhile Iran confirms that infected cases
in the country spiked by over $100.00
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to $250.00 for those with the virus in
Iran now include Iranian vice president
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a total of $26.00 people have died so far
in the country the world's highest death
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toll outside China where the outbreak began
the global counts of those sickened by
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the virus hovered around 82000 with 433
new cases reported Thursday in China and
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505 more in South Korea where the military
called off joint drills planned with
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American troops and as the number of covert
1000 cases continues to jump in South
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Korea the spread of the virus is having an
effect on diplomatic and defense issues
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related to North Korea view
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a sole correspondent Bill Gallo briefed
my colleague Kate pound Dawson on the
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latest. Well about one week ago
there were only around 30 to 58
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inspection confirmed infection of the
corona virus in felt Korea and live today
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that number has shot up to 1766 today
was actually the biggest daily increase
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yet we saw over 500 new confirmed
infections. You know this is
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shooting up rapidly it's in part because
South Korea is very technologically
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advanced they're very proactive
it think they've tested
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a lot of people therefore they have
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a lot more confirmed cases however and
this is creating it than worry I wouldn't
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They panic but
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a sense of widespread worry and South
Korea and obviously worse and that the
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southeastern region near to the 4th
largest city but it is starting to spread
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in many different parts of
the country and not only
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a matter of time before it will be and every
region of the country. Now how is this
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affecting the relationship between North
Korea and South Korea North Korea so far
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as said it does not have any infections and
at the same time there's been an effort
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to build
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a different better run lay ssion ship
between the South and the north as well as
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the u.s.
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Effort to negotiate on North Korea's nuclear
weapons how does this factor into the
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mix Well the immediate result on the
nuclear talks is that they have just been
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absolutely slammed shut North Korea has
essentially log itself in from the outside
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world they've prevented any international
tourists from coming yes there is David
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going to because their border with China
what we are hearing from sources here in
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South Korea is that it has been weeks since
North Korean officials have been able
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to get actually get out and and meet
their counterparts whether that's u.s.
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Counterparts or European counterparts
they've essentially walled themselves in
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these talks and gone nowhere but
the interesting thing is the u.s.
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And South Korea were actually forced to
postpone and definitely there is no one
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Kerry exercises that were planned to start
next week the result of that is that
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there may be fewer
tension between the u.s.
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And North Korea these military exercises
of course with the source of great
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frustration by North Korea every year
when these appen they usually make
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a big rocket and. You something in response
to that test the missile have their own
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exercises that apparently will not
happen now but that doesn't mean that
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everything's Ok because North Korea very
worried about this and such and spreading
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within its own borders
when you mention the u.s.
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Forces there in South Korea we
do know that there is one u.s.
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Service member who's been affected how
is the coronavirus affecting the u.s.
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Military operations and life for the u.s.
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Military there's about 20000 troops plus
some family members civilian employees
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there is great concern that
this has reached the u.s.
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Military here in South Korea so far at
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a home only has infected one service member
2 other people who are linked to u.s.
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Bases here have been infected but the fact
that this virus is highly contagious and
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the fact that you have lots of
people living close together on u.s.
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Military bases sharing communal
housing sharing meals this is
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a situation that is possibly easy for
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a virus like this to spread so
there is great concern you seeing
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a lot of restrictions as far as who is
allowed access to the base who was allowed
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to leave the base
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a lot of businesses entertainment
sites and things like this on u.s.
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Military bases have either been closed
or restricted. That was ve always
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correspondent in Seoul Bill Gallo speaking
with editor Kate pounds Dawson Now
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President Donald Trump of the u.s.
Hold a news conference on the u.s.s.
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Preparations for the possible spread of the
novel coronavirus in that country among
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other items he named vice president Mike
Pence the head of the federal response
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Trump had
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a confident message for Americans but there
are some criticism of his administration's
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efforts so far for more we go live to view
ways Pepsi would like to Swara at the
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White House Hello Patsy Welcome to the
show my pleasure so Trump has been quite
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confident. You know he out of money that
that is being allocated by the federal
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government is lower than what some Democrats
and some others would like to see and
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this in some ways goes against what even
the World Health Organization says which
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is which is that even wealthy countries
need to really take this take this as
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seriously as possible is just trumps
confidence reflects the reality Well that's
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the thing that everybody's talking about
today after this very rare appearance by
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the president this is only his 2nd appearance
in the in the briefing room yesterday
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in his entire time in office so that
shows. Symbolizes how seriously he
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takes this issue at least the optics of
how he's handling it after the day before
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he was accusing the media of creating
panic and tanking the stock market so yes
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there was
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a huge push from the top an estrangement
from the president himself to reassure
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Americans that his administration
has under control there's
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a lot of downplaying that he said you know
he said that because of on that we've
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done the risk to American people
means very little and there's
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a chance that it will spread now these
things are actually contradictory to what
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his own officials on the same stage at the
same time are saying for example when we
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said that. We'll essentially have a flu
shot for this meaning a vaccine in
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a fairly quick manner
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a few minutes after that Anthony Fauci the
director of the National Institute of
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Allergy and Infectious Diseases said
that it would take at least 2 months to
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determine whether a vaccine is safe
and then another 8 months to conduct
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a largest study to see if it works so you
know a timeframe of at least close to
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a year the other thing that was being
questioned by journalists including
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myself we were able to ask questions to the
president and so I ask him the question
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why is the u.s.
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Only testing under 500 people so far and
only those who have traveled to China
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despite the global spread of
the virus and I am I asked
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a president whether he's planning to
test more people and he said that we're
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testing everybody that we need to test and
we're finding very little problem and
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then he goes on to say that we should treat
this the way we treat them through wash
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your hands
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a lot stay indoors when you're not feeling
well and so on so there's there's
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a lot of criticism about how the president
is handling this but yes you're right
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the administration is asking 2 and
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a half $1000000000.00 from Congress for
additional funding Now one thing that he
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did announce was that Vice President Mike
Pence would lead the federal response of
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course pumps really don't have any
medical background and in fact he's been
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criticized for his handling of n.h.i.
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Is the outbreak in his in the state of
Indiana when he was governor there is is he
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up to the task Yes that's another thing
that we question was that you know what is
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a vice president's Mike's Mike Pence
experience and handling the crisis and we also
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question the fact that the White House has
been fired for 2 days pushing reports
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that they were considering of appointing
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a coronavirus are to handle this and
yesterday at the briefing the president
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announce that he's appointing Mike Pence
to be the lead person into this replacing
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Alex asr the hitch as secretary and this
morning Mike Pence has just announced
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Ambassador Dan. The bricks to serve as the
throne of Irish response ordinator So
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Ambassador Burke said currently the State
Department courted Nadirah to combat HIV
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Aids and also a special representative
for Global Health diplomacy said there's
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a lot of. People are doing double or triple
roles in this administration so that's
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that's also coming into question as to how
prepared the administration is to deal
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with it got it that was
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a few ways Patsy would I could swear at
the White House thank you so much for
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joining us Patsy and pleasure thank you.
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Use the u.s.
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Government commission of politicizing
communal violence in New Delhi that killed at
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least 30 people and injured more than 200
as President Donald Trump was visiting
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the country earlier this
week on Wednesday the u.s.
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Commission on International Religious
Freedom said it was deeply troubled by the
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violence and cited accounts that police
had not intervened in attacks against
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Muslims Germany's highest court on
Thursday upheld the ban against
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a Muslim legal trainee who was wearing
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a headscarf while performing
certain official tasks in
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a $71.00 decision the Federal Constitutional
Court said that while the band does
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interfere with the woman's freedom of
religion it is justified in order to uphold
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a law that calls for quote neutral conduct
and quote by legal trainees when it
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comes to ideological and religious matters
and Turkey backed Syrian opposition
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fighters retold his strategic northwestern
town from government forces on Thursday
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that's according to opposition
activists that cuts off
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a key highway which just days after the
government had reopened it for the 1st time
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since 2012 despite losing the town Syrian
President Bashar al Assad's forces have
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made major gains in the south he now
controls almost the entire southern part of
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the present province after capturing
more than 20 villages Thursday that's
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according to state media and
opposition activists activists
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You're listening to v.o.a.
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News. This is such. A number
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of studies have previously linked the
consumption of sugary drinks with increased
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risks of death from a wide range of cars
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a new study published in The Journal of
the American Heart Association provides
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evidence that drinking around $355.00
millimeters of sugary drinks more than once
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a day is connected to
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a couple of factors that can contribute
to cardiovascular disease the study finds
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that among middle aged to older adults
drinking sugar sweetened beverages can lower
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levels of h.d.l.
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Or good cholesterol which helps remove bad
cholesterol from the bloodstream while
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increasing levels of triglycerides another
type of fat found in the blood the study
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also shows that drinking mode calorie
sweetened beverages were up to 355
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millimeters of 100 percent fruit juice
every day it wasn't associated with
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increased risks or adverse effects of
elevated fats and cholesterol in the
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bloodstream I envy you
always right Banta Layo.
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This is international edition I'm Jason
Patinkin in Washington hip hop artist Jay
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z. Is backing
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a new lawsuit representing more than 150
inmates in the Mississippi prison system
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who say the state's in its
war yes parchment prison is
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a violent place where inmates live in
quote abhorrent conditions and quote 19
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inmates have died in the southern u.s.
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States prisons in the
last 2 months including
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a 36 year old who died Wednesday to find
out more about what's going on earlier
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earlier I spoke to Joe Neff
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a reporter for the Marshall Project which
investigates conditions in American
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prisons Well the problems in the Mississippi
prison system have been long in coming
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there's not enough prison guards to
guard the inmates last year we got to
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a point where you would have one correctional
officer at parchment watching maybe
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a $150.00 inmates in a dorm
oftentimes the guard is
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a woman in charge of keeping
control of $150.00 men and another
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issue is that the prisons have
always been dangerous and there's
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a lot of gang members in prison
you go to prison you join
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a gang because you need protection
so you put those 2 together
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a lot of prison gang members and very
little supervision and it's like
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a pressure cooker. The only way that
people can that the guards can maintain
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control is just to keep everyone locked
up all the time and then you have inmates
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inside of their cells or dorms who are
just don't get out of the cell to take
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a shower or go outside and breathe fresh
air to go to church or school the
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conditions are so bad that I talked to
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a number of correctional officers who have
been severely injured at these prisons
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that they are scared out of their minds
these prisons are not safe for anyone in
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the last 2 months there have been across
the Mississippi prison system 19 different
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inmates have died what is causing this
this really concerning outbreak of inmates
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dying killings many of them were between
rival gangs that just pressure has been
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festering some of them have been suicides
and there is very very poor mental
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health care in the prisons and in Mississippi
and some are the prison officials say
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well person died of natural causes I believe
that there are some drug overdoses in
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their medical care is really poor for an
inmate to get actually out of their cell
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out of their block and over to the clinic
can be almost an insurmountable obstacle
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and one of the prisons and southern Mississippi
in 2018 the prison had to cancel 70
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percent of scheduled medical visits
because they didn't have enough guards to
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escort the inmates from their cell out
to the clinic which is maybe just
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a couple 100 feet away I've talked to
people who work at parchment who said they
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were in a kitchen facility when
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a sewer broke and pretty soon their ankle
deep in sewage with feces bobbing around
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and this is in
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a facility where they're making food the
roofs leak the water facilities are
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terrible mold is everywhere.
They are really in
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a state of disrepair what can be done about
this on the one hand it seems like one
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solution could be hiring more guards I
don't think anyone is advocating that they
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expand the number of guards part of the
solution is just to fill all the vacancies
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that are there and another thing is just
that to how many people in prison actually
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need to be there Mississippi has some laws
which activists criticized as being too
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punitive 15 years for marijuana
convictions one of the things that the
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state needs to do is do all these people
need to be there many of them don't for
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Americans when we think of particularly
a facility like parchment prison it has
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a it has an untold story of
history and can you talk
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a bit about those connections between the
very problematic history in the American
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South and how that's related to the
crisis of the prisons today parchment is
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located in the middle of
the Mississippi Delta
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a huge place to grow cotton slaves grew
the cotton before the Civil War after the
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Civil War farmers would lease convicts to
work their farms under brutal conditions
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and parchment which is an $18000.00 acre
farm was started in the early part of the
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$900.00 and it's Ben this place
where largely black incarcerated
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population would work the
farm and grow food and for
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a long time to move the money maker for the
state budget so parchment is is an icon
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of racism and incarceration and subjugation
in the south there have been some
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lawsuits back in the seventy's eighty's
and and later trying to improve the
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horrible conditions there the past 5 years
it's just been slowly cheerier entering
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into now it's it's unfathomable to think
about being an inmate and that unit 29.
00:24:08
Canadian police have arrested dozens of
people in recent days who were protesting
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the construction of
00:24:13
a natural gas pipeline on traditional land
of the what's Whitten tribe in Canada's
00:24:18
British Columbia province supporters of the
Indian it indigenous group have blocked
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major streets railways and ports around the
country demanding police trying to open
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the way for the pipeline to stand down on
Thursday the leader of the wetsuit and
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tribe whose lands the pipeline would run
through said he would meet with Canadian
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authorities the Globe and Mail
newspaper reported for more I spoke to
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a journalist and
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a Roach who has been covering the protests
from Toronto there's going to be no time
00:24:43
to negotiation on the side of the government
to renew blockades for the country and
00:24:48
on the side of the u.s.
00:24:49
So it into poll police force out of the
territory but at this point they're
00:24:53
meditates chief have met with
other government officials quite
00:24:56
a few times and they've been trying to
meet with government officials for years
00:24:59
about this and so far they have found that
negotiation has been unsuccessful and
00:25:05
unproductive and the compromises that the
government was willing to make were not
00:25:09
sufficient for them to
stand by when r.c.m.p.
00:25:14
Offered to withdraw they offered to
withdraw if the blockade on with someone in
00:25:19
territory was dismantled. And now
what has happened is that there's
00:25:24
a particularly. 8 Particularly
acrimonious fucking intend to make up in
00:25:31
Ontario between Toronto on the trail. Has
announced that all the blockade must come
00:25:36
down that blockade was read it was
00:25:40
a pretty large contingent of the police
they made 10 arrests and that really
00:25:45
triggered a whole new wave
office of the country there was
00:25:49
a blockade in Toronto where there were
00:25:51
a bunch of arrests there was that in
Vancouver there was stuff like Hamilton kind
00:25:56
of all over the country so it and people
they and other indigent people throughout
00:26:00
Canada have like consistently throughout
history experience like militarized police
00:26:06
coming through and taking their land. And
that's what they see it happening right
00:26:10
now they see that police are trying to
come into their territory unauthorized and
00:26:15
arms to make way for
00:26:17
a pipeline one of the demands has been
for the what's what and to tell their
00:26:21
supporters to stand down to tell others to
stop protesting on their behalf to stop
00:26:25
blockading railways to stop blockading ports
and roads and other things and this is
00:26:30
something that the what's the what's and
has refused to do and why is that well
00:26:34
that's because over throughout the
history of Canada existing as
00:26:38
a country there's been
00:26:39
a 1000000 to go Sheesh and with indigenous
peoples that not really been abided by
00:26:44
when there were and I think that the
blockades that are happening right now are
00:26:49
kind of the only assurance that they have
that negotiations might actually happen
00:26:55
and so they don't want the blockade to go
down before negotiations because About
00:26:59
happen the government doesn't necessarily
have incentive to try and address the
00:27:05
situation now you're in Serrano when there
have been some protests in Serrano that
00:27:10
you've been attending
you've been speaking to
00:27:12
a new numerous activists What is their
feeling like right now what are what are
00:27:16
they what are they saying right now and
what's their their attitude about about the
00:27:20
latest what we're seeing right now is
indigenous folks are claiming that
00:27:25
reconciliation is dead and that's really
historic because up until now the language
00:27:30
of reconciliation meaning
that it's a new era has
00:27:35
a history where like the Canadian government
is now going to try to reconcile and
00:27:38
make things right that idea was kind
of brought about in the ninety's and
00:27:42
a lot of indigenous people believing
in it and grew up believing that the
00:27:46
government was going to try to make
things right and so I think for
00:27:49
a lot of the young indigenous people who
are coming political Today recently
00:27:54
there's been kind of
00:27:54
a turning point where it's like No we
no longer believe that the Canadian
00:27:59
government is trying to reconcile the
idea that reconciliation is dead is
00:28:03
a new one and that is the historic for
Canada. That was journalist Anna Roche in
00:28:09
Toronto Canada speaking to me earlier
today the United Nations says Rohingya
00:28:14
Muslims and other minorities in Myanmar
are experiencing an upsurge in violations
00:28:19
and abuse fueled by prejudice and hate
speech the un High Commission Commissioner
00:28:24
for Human Rights submitted
00:28:25
a report on the root causes of abuse in
Myanmar to the un human rights council Lisa
00:28:30
Schlender reports for v.o.a.
00:28:31
From Geneva that un rights chief Michel
Bashar Lay says that laws and policies
00:28:36
promoting discrimination and exclusion
against religious and ethnic minorities in
00:28:41
me and Mar have existed for more than half
00:28:43
a century notably the un human rights
chief said quote The 1902 citizenship law
00:28:49
rendered statelessness stateless
00:28:51
a significant proportion of the Rohingya
and other Muslims and quote oppression of
00:28:56
the stateless Muslim minority peaked in
August 2017 that was when violence and
00:29:01
persecution reported killings and
rape by the me and military triggered
00:29:05
a mass exodus of more than 700000 to
Bangladesh by chalet said other ethnic and
00:29:11
religious minorities across me and more
also suffer serious human rights violations
00:29:16
at the hands of the military she says
there counterinsurgency policies and
00:29:20
techniques at times have deliberately
targeted civilians nationally urged the
00:29:25
government to deescalate xenophobe it
discriminatory practices answer promote
00:29:29
interfaith and interethnic tolerance but
me and Mars and Bess are to the un in
00:29:33
Geneva Q Almost tune says his
government's efforts to achieve national
00:29:37
reconciliation reconciliation and peace
with ethnic armed groups are advancing but
00:29:42
he had transforming the country
from authoritarian rule to
00:29:45
a democratic federal union takes time that's
it for us today you've been listening
00:29:50
to international edition of The Voice of
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00:29:55
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00:30:00
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00:30:01
a great evening. But
00:30:23
even in and welcome to another edition of
Reporters Roundtable we're coming to live
00:30:28
from v.o.a.
00:30:28
Studios here in Washington Douglas simple
go this Him and He will talk about the
00:30:33
legacy of African autocratically does.
00:30:45
And with us tonight is my colleague give
me said my Korean managing guitar Vo is
00:30:49
Africa 54 welcome the show isn't always
00:30:52
a pleasure thank you well
come on joining us is
00:30:55
a sort of minimal He joins us from Dublin
South Africa as an independent political
00:30:59
analyst I want evidence of that much. Less
And do you think and I always double.
00:31:08
Sorry for you thank you very much for
your very much welcome as I said our talk
00:31:14
tonight looking at the legacy of Africa
as autocratic leader does just this week.
00:31:21
With Barca hold Egypt for almost 3 decades
after spending the last years of his
00:31:27
life facing charges of
financial corruption and
00:31:30
a collusion of the feuding over
depression protest us idea and
00:31:34
a month. For nearly a quarter
century marked by a depression and
00:31:40
a widespread corruption before even
today you did the term out but
00:31:44
a democracy and allowed the peaceful
transfer of power also died at the age of 95
00:31:50
both men married to see if the
state Barrios was in Barack.
00:31:57
Hard before our military on ice burial in
Cairo let me start with 1st of all your
00:32:04
comment given the track record of some
of our causes long sobbing little
00:32:08
practically dies who fall out of favor
India and their life but then later when
00:32:14
they die treated as saints Yes I think when
you look at all of those while there is
00:32:21
a common saying that you don't speak ill
of they plotted those who have died it's
00:32:28
you know to Dish and everywhere. But
it's also important to remember
00:32:35
that the citizens of every country. He
should be shown some respect some honest
00:32:41
some dignity when a person has ruled
over his citizens and you know brought
00:32:48
a lot of suffering to those citizens
and there is no. Meant of that by that
00:32:54
particular person by people close to him
by members of his whatever that was his
00:32:59
government of that time I think it is to
show dis Dain for the citizens who know
00:33:05
what they experienced and the leadership
of that particular person I've seen for
00:33:10
example the During the funerals like of
that Daniel that morning former political
00:33:16
dissidents or later met up with him and
join the government praise him and talk
00:33:21
about how they you know they shook hands
they took tea and ate together and they
00:33:27
forgive each other but what is lost in
all of this is that those leaders never
00:33:32
turned to the citizens and apologized
to them in very clear language for the
00:33:39
grinding poverty they subjected this people
to because of the plan during all of
00:33:45
the national wealth and for the impoverished
of the people because of certain
00:33:51
policies they never apologized in very
clear language for the people who are
00:33:57
killed and whose children were killed
who was wives who were raped during
00:34:04
political violence because of their
own actions and policies so while
00:34:11
you don't want to necessarily subject the
person was dieted to all this extreme you
00:34:17
know perhaps castigation of that point
I think in my view in respect of the
00:34:24
citizens of a country
00:34:26
a person's true actions during his
leadership should never be forgotten just
00:34:32
because he has died it
is good for it to be
00:34:34
a college that he cost soft.
To his fellow citizens and and
00:34:41
that he may have done one or 2
or 3 things but that should be
00:34:45
a clone least otherwise it is it does not
to motivate those away in power to do the
00:34:52
right thing because they know that all you
have to do is hold onto power until you
00:34:58
get up until you die and you will always
be considered a hero because it had
00:35:04
a saint and therefore they have no motivation
to do the right thing for them for
00:35:09
a minute if I agree with the
community center 100 percent
00:35:17
it is not in our culture in Africa
cross the border to talk poverty
00:35:24
says it is of course that is
00:35:27
a given but. What. What. We need
00:35:35
done the leaves no option to the African
people but to carry them. These
00:35:42
illegals the majority of them we have
to be very slow to that we have not
00:35:48
had really. I would really be given
00:35:52
a dissenting by your buddies starting
from the us from South Africa. Nelson
00:35:59
Mandela was given
00:36:00
a corner everybody because of what he did
for the country from the time we went to
00:36:06
prison from the time he started his trouble
to the time he passed away very 21
00:36:13
no one can say I was brutalized because
of Mandela hours my son was the was
00:36:19
shortened because prison Monday didn't
want to go because the men already in
00:36:26
Derek during the war that he was no it
was not for us was honorable preventing.
00:36:36
A leader within hours of.
Botswana we had to quit my silly
00:36:43
idea of horn edible fuel or in
any 2017 of these 2 we we we
00:36:49
begin to keep these people in the
dignity thing was nothing to. Eat about
00:36:56
so we have good leaders were being but
even. Looking me in Botswana Festus
00:37:03
Mogae was the president he was
00:37:06
a prisoner nobody nobody Q Why should
we not give you remit dissented
00:37:13
compared to the they did a 1000000000
over in dictator compared to
00:37:19
a brutal dictator what your legacy Do
they have all of them have got the same
00:37:25
legacy you can summarize
it in if you will be
00:37:28
a descent to the agreed the blue to the
corrupt the old days when the Aware
00:37:35
3 who has the population the leading
teams are poor so they don't deserve be
00:37:40
because the digging for themselves even
before the. I see they did the interesting
00:37:46
part. These are part of the Die For
instance they don't force anybody to praise
00:37:52
them when that did why do people who went
through. The rain like for instance in
00:37:59
Egypt. Barak. It was
00:38:04
a vice president for that when he took
power. For customs that your term stability
00:38:10
he maintained
00:38:10
a tight grip on society for the police I
mean created services during his years in
00:38:15
office he maintained that imagines
00:38:17
a law that gave his forces the ability to
arrest and detain without cause that's
00:38:22
a similar ruling Styron wants to Mongols
autocrats Yes people fair to face but then
00:38:28
when they pass they are people of all walks
of life praise them the best you have
00:38:35
to have to see to understand 1st
that everything that happens at the
00:38:42
national level of this country's
on the political systems is is
00:38:45
a political thing is political
and even at death they seem from
00:38:50
a political point of view and the political
class tries to find out how it can
00:38:56
benefit itself from this particular
event so for example when
00:39:02
a person dies they say present
died those who are even
00:39:09
former dissidents who brutalized by that
Jeem or jailed when they're talking on the
00:39:16
podium then they're actually not necessarily
in their heart of talking about how
00:39:22
great the person was their address
seeing their constituency that this man
00:39:27
represented they are thinking about how
they can capture this or this cause to
00:39:33
translate for their political gains and
therefore they will never jeopardize. That
00:39:40
particular selfish goal of someday
or immediately benefiting
00:39:46
from the people who are followers of this
person the only problem the big problem
00:39:52
is that while they're doing this they are
playing around with the minds of the
00:39:56
ordinary citizens because they try to
sanitize the image of his person for their
00:40:01
personal political ends and in the minds
of the other citizens maybe some of them
00:40:07
say oh perhaps he was actually a good
person perhaps he did great things for
00:40:13
a nation not realizing that the
political class kind of has
00:40:18
a common agenda each one of these is
looking for ways in which they can take
00:40:24
advantage of every situation for
political benefit now even for
00:40:30
those same aged 2 part of the military
system we know the Tolson Mubarak was
00:40:35
a military guy the Army guys the military
guys are doing this for themselves for
00:40:41
them as far as they're concerned this is
00:40:42
a military leader for them
they see this country from
00:40:45
a different perspective the Army see is
the citizens us enemies in some of those
00:40:51
countries as weather could crack down and
clamp down on ordinary citizens and so
00:40:57
they make sure that they honor the person
because they would like to be given the
00:41:03
same kind of honor tomorrow you just have
to look and find out who is the current
00:41:10
leader of Egypt for example is
00:41:12
a military guy you know he would want to
be given the same honor by the fellow
00:41:17
military men so it's some of the things
you have to see them from the political
00:41:21
context that everything is done and
not necessarily for the citizens of
00:41:25
a country but for the benefits in media
and future of those in the political
00:41:32
class. You know what about no decent work.
00:41:42
After. More than 2 in the year after the
00:41:49
year. She was just. 20 years is
00:41:55
a long time 30 years in the long time we
did in these 30 years many of these people
00:42:02
within the ruling class uprooted is of
the same media you will find that for
00:42:07
example in Kenya who was who
reached yet or was made by
00:42:11
a movie he had to pick team he groomed beam
now he dies at the time when he was is
00:42:18
the president of Kenya so he
has an obligation to give him
00:42:23
a he will see the galleys of what he
puts it and because it and then he
00:42:29
raises even
00:42:31
a deal says the easy easy easy procedure
that he should have been promoted by
00:42:37
Mubarak himself the same color
as Mugabe. Goes undetected by
00:42:43
Mugabe himself so he has to see
Mary Mary's was also from the
00:42:50
same political party which he surfaced
at least to so if he decides he has to
00:42:56
giving the hero heroes the heroes you
know so regardless of what happens these
00:43:03
people are within 30 years of the of 'd the
dictators who have taken power because
00:43:10
many of these places where we have seen the
leaders coming from we have not had be
00:43:15
fundamental change we have little had the
proper evolution even in Egypt where
00:43:20
evolution was done was done by the ordinary
people it was hijacked and taken today
00:43:27
for example you may not be shocked that in
the future but she will be rehabilitated
00:43:33
because the generals are still hanging
around the corridors of power in the Sudan
00:43:41
so long as the people who are in
power power brought in power brought
00:43:47
boats for millions by those dictators they
will still continue to get the heroes
00:43:53
sure. To be argued you. Also
should feel kind of reinforce that
00:44:00
point you look around for example when you
observe this funerals taking place and
00:44:06
other politicians in these places was
speaking. Each of them take the case of Kenya
00:44:13
each of those
00:44:14
a small called used to be one of those
some of the most kind of the most and
00:44:19
critics of prison Moyo and they clearly
stated that they went to the state house
00:44:27
they made out with this guy with his with
the president they had tea together it
00:44:33
together. What does that tell you because
some of them ended up being brought into
00:44:40
the fold and personally benefiting
from that particular every Jeem
00:44:47
some of them joined the government of that
time some of them when even if they did
00:44:51
not join benefited in one way or another
so what they failed to tell the citizens
00:44:57
is that this was
00:44:58
a personal benefits this will pass in the
games and they make it look like this
00:45:05
was good for the country but it wasn't
because those regimes never changed just
00:45:11
because they may have made
peace with an individual from
00:45:15
a dissident Ok Minister
Well we're going to take
00:45:17
a short break Bach to want their discussion
of the legacy of Africa autocratically
00:45:23
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00:46:28
reporters' roundtable work
I mean to live from v.o.a.
00:46:30
Studios here in Washington tonight we're
discussing the legacy of Africa's
00:46:35
autocratic leader as my colleague said
my Koreans remind me what on independent
00:46:40
political analyst and I mean horse about
glass simple guy here in studio one
00:46:45
gentleman we you just alluded all of you
that to maybe this is somebody dies has
00:46:50
been
00:46:50
a not. Dictate the product of the Dow he
passes but this is him remains he does yeah
00:46:57
but then. How about the people the victims
we talk about because like in media
00:47:02
people die Yeah Ok but. They try to charge
them in court and then appealed under
00:47:09
thing went away and people
died on the streets in
00:47:12
a more years time that people actually
who died people kind of hateful died and
00:47:16
that they sort of remain mysteries what
what's the fate of the victims and what how
00:47:20
do they feel and I'm sorry let me just
quickly jump in. Because I wanted to
00:47:25
conclude that thought and this is where I
say that the political class is just one
00:47:31
whether they're in the opposition eventually
they're looking for ways to come into
00:47:35
the system and when they get personal gains
from they recall actions they make with
00:47:42
his you know political they're from
00:47:44
a political rivals or falls they make it
look like create is for the benefit of the
00:47:50
citizens because at the end of the day there
is not one person who was too down on
00:47:57
any podium and acknowledged the suffering
of the ordinary citizens throughout those
00:48:03
years of someone's leadership nobody
says this was bad. People suffered and
00:48:10
people died and I'm not saying that in
this funerals all that should be said is
00:48:14
about houses you know people suffer and die
but that should be acknowledged people
00:48:20
should not pretend that it never happened
and you make this week the sayings and
00:48:24
heroes and and just praise them from
morning till evening there should be an
00:48:30
acknowledgement and if possible the
government have of that day should then
00:48:34
recommitted self to compensating people
who probably lost alone during that
00:48:40
bridging and commits to never ever allowing
that kind of leadership in the country
00:48:46
because by sanitizing the image of that
person you are telling those who are in
00:48:52
power today you never have to do
anything right you never have to be
00:48:57
a good leader because at the end of the
day people will forget all the terrible
00:49:02
things you did and they will be singing
praises to you and them you know so what so
00:49:07
they'd I think it is for the sake of the
citizens and the future of our country I
00:49:13
say. There are some some people
have argued that this kind
00:49:20
of scenario this state of affairs force
is suddenly does on the continent who are
00:49:26
quite committing atrocities who are making
the people suffer badly try this policy
00:49:31
that policy insurance policy is how you
want to power until whatever until you die
00:49:38
it preserves. It is true
unless the corn in it.
00:49:46
Takes is done. Since. And we see
that we showed in the under the
00:49:53
carpet. Yes yes it should
be. So there should be.
00:50:02
Core people are still creating.
When gets to the end
00:50:09
when so many souls sent So Hussein hybrid.
00:50:16
Hybrid record because the people and the
people went and testified people put cases
00:50:23
Seldon's of people went to have justice
done so in South Africa we have the case
00:50:29
of Malema was forced out of Poland because
he was saying he doesn't want to read
00:50:35
the last. Printed them because he
never accepted much as we keep
00:50:42
quoting to Malema and the. He pretended
that he appreciated the pain
00:50:49
which was made out to the people of South
Africa but the young people feel justice
00:50:54
was not
00:50:55
a ban and. They assume many and people all
over the continent who feel that these
00:51:01
people should not be left sports
related that Moyes should not
00:51:05
a good to be real and then
just shown. Me I mean.
00:51:12
As recent as when he was still in power the
other day and then to the guns and the
00:51:17
. Recent say the continent needs to take
00:51:22
a stand they come for aid which is being
shown in the funeral is a country where
00:51:28
a certain small group because the of benefited
from the system justice needs to be
00:51:33
done and if it is not done that is why
dear is growing clamor for the change of
00:51:39
leadership from the old regards to the
young people the young people want to take
00:51:45
over the continent they can see the old
ones they are still recycling and the even
00:51:51
encouraging boomers who are still in power
the civilians of this world. This world
00:51:57
can you. Clearing more people because
they know. Very clearly that you did.
00:52:04
And you will be and when they bury.
Their heroes you know and also I
00:52:11
think it should be
00:52:12
a clear message also even to the families
of this people their close friend
00:52:19
that your father your grandfather
your close friend your uncle goes
00:52:26
down as a person who was not
00:52:27
a hero in this country. It should never
be made it so light for the families and
00:52:34
the friends to to kind of think of the
member of the family as having been
00:52:39
a great person when they won the war
not because it means they will never
00:52:42
themselves lawn. From this bad leadership
so you've seen some of this their family
00:52:49
members want to get into leadership they
are members of parliament senators and
00:52:53
they don't even once they say they
will not stop to say wow. Our
00:53:00
father went down as
00:53:02
a person who did so much damage to our
country but instead they're made to believe
00:53:06
our father was the greatest hero of our
country when he was not it is actually not
00:53:12
fair because this should be used as examples
to say to tell the nation that have
00:53:18
you caused so much suffering to
00:53:21
a country. We will not forget and we
will need die when that person goes down
00:53:28
there shall be
00:53:29
a mention of how much damage they did to
the country so that history posterity will
00:53:35
know that this person was not
00:53:37
a hero and even enough he did certain
things then he should just oppose them and
00:53:43
say well he probably did 1234 things which
are good for the country but he also
00:53:50
did the Sabbath things which the country
should learn from and never ever accept
00:53:56
from any leader today and into the future
so when you forget about those and just
00:54:02
sanitize the person completely those who
are in power will not be motivated to do
00:54:08
the right things because they everybody
learn from what they see around them yeah
00:54:14
so our judgment as well as when down to
the discussion. Some of Saito suggested
00:54:19
that if you put term limits everywhere on
the continent that's sort of the problem
00:54:24
because now you'll sell 5 years or 10
and get out of the way leaving room for
00:54:29
whoever comes in to put you to task if you
committed something wrong because in the
00:54:34
current situation you just outplay time out
if I just have to keep and keep on keep
00:54:38
on until there's nothing to mar counting
would be both of you to begin his visit
00:54:44
there would tumble
00:54:45
a meeting with President
help. Before he said
00:54:52
that I wanted to know what.
About the. People who
00:54:59
didn't get it and. Yes. We had.
00:55:08
Who was crying on the vision being
interviewed and sure thing her husband
00:55:15
was killed 34 years ago by the apathy b.g.
00:55:21
I'm sure one operative over
there in the she. Husband was.
00:55:28
All the way nice was the Lamb the way the
way to protect him entered this was land
00:55:34
under such
00:55:35
a method and she was crying and she was
saying she had moved through all the
00:55:41
stories she was saying had to be in
00:55:44
a still angry we wanted to know who
knew the whole cutie their father
00:55:51
and she wants to know who killed their
father recall those people who are still
00:55:56
alive she wants another which was good so
these scenes are not closed is really the
00:56:01
way the agents were preventing the brilliant
people he breeding people need just
00:56:08
so we should not praise these people instead
they should open up and find the real
00:56:13
. People are there people to report which
of. Obviously within 10 years many
00:56:19
readers have not committed any crime leaders
are still trying to put things right
00:56:25
Will it be the leader that will present
praying to Queen that it will be
00:56:29
a lead in after 10 years that is we're
all after after the 2nd town that we are
00:56:35
seen to go wrong so if there is
00:56:38
a time limit for show leadership leadership
will be better than what it is that is
00:56:44
where you see that all these
leaders were the rotary that. The.
00:56:51
Syrian is the one with so then will all
of them have blood on their hands because
00:56:57
they have gone for so many. So one of the
solution as you have said in determining
00:57:03
and and the examples I mean
look at a country for example
00:57:07
a logical. A country like Tanzania which
after in your area who was actually
00:57:12
a very popular and simple you know edge of
his country you know is that after that
00:57:19
they went in
00:57:20
a democratic system you know as much as the
country's been ruled by just one party
00:57:24
and you cannot remember any of those
presidents who have come after and yet it has
00:57:30
having cost downs and you so much damage
in fact they've been trying to fix the
00:57:33
country because it wasn't
00:57:35
a socialist system so they were talking
about them. Because they were not in power
00:57:41
for too long at the have not done so much
damage that you would be thinking so much
00:57:47
about about them in
00:57:48
a negative way you know as much
as they may not have performed in
00:57:51
a stellar way same case if you look at
for example countries like South Africa
00:57:56
because of the you know the level of their
type of democracy after of course after
00:58:00
the apartheid in mind there was there for
just one term and then even if they voted
00:58:05
him out you know he wasn't long enough
to do so much damage term limits help to
00:58:13
indeed to limit the damage
00:58:15
a person can do to their country because
there's only so much you can do within 10
00:58:20
years and even days that fear that are
5000 my time I live here if I commit to
00:58:24
a trust is maybe helpful I can't yes when
you're out of town yeah well gentlemen.
00:58:31
So all the time we have for this edition
The report has it on table thanks to my
00:58:35
colleagues and McCrory mileage and get
it always after 54 I'm sorry Madam
00:58:41
independent political analyst best in the
bunch of Africa gentlemen once again
00:58:45
thanks so much for being
on the show it's been
00:58:47
a pleasure our producer visuals Dan
Brown there were you know at night was
00:58:51
announced on the parents are back again
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00:58:55
Reporter's Roundtable
00:58:57
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This is v.o.a.
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News I'm Joe Palca as Americans brace for
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a widening outbreak of the coronavirus
consumer demand for face masks and surging
01:00:24
leading to shortages and price hikes in
recent weeks according to this resident of
01:00:29
Washington d.c.
01:00:30
I know somebody who actually went on line
yesterday to look for these mats are sold
01:00:37
out pretty much everywhere and then he saw
01:00:41
a place where you could get.
Real face masks for 149 in
01:00:48
Washington u.s.
01:00:49
President Donald Trump continues to reassure
Americans that his administration has
01:00:54
the pathogen under control in the meantime
Iran is having its own economic troubles
01:00:59
as
01:00:59
a result of the coronavirus Everett uranium
reports from Cairo Turkey our media all
01:01:05
by Bahrain Kuwait in the United Arab
Emirates have all closed landin air borders
01:01:11
with Iran in recent days due to the
coronavirus as the closures stop the flow of
01:01:17
traffic to and from Iran fears of
01:01:20
a deepening economic slump are hitting
Iraq's national currency the reaal President
01:01:26
Hassan Rouhani told journalists Thursday
that the country until recently had been
01:01:31
thriving but she kid was almost
01:01:33
a says that on both industry and agriculture
did very well during the past several
01:01:38
months and she adds that the economy
will flourish if Iranians do not let us
01:01:43
sanctions or the.
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You can play at it every week right here
on music time in Africa club join me on
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the local Afghan stage for
Sunday's at 15120100.
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This is v.o.a.
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Numerous I'm Joe Palca and the number one
priority for him are still going to is
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the health and safety of the
American people President Trump in
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a rare official appearance before reporters
yesterday reassuring the country that
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his plan fully embraces the challenges of
the spreading coronavirus A.P.'s Sagar
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Magon a reports the c.d.c.
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Says
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a person in California has been infected
someone who does not appear to have traveled
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abroad or been exposed to another patient
if confirmed it would be the 1st American
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case of what's known as
community spread the c.d.c.
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Announced the worrisome development minutes
after President Trump took to the White
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House briefing room podium to minimize
fears that the virus will keep spreading I
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don't think it's inevitable
I think that there's
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a chance that it could get worse as the
chance to get fairly substantially worse
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but nothing's inevitable he says there is
no reason to panic at the government's
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very very ready for
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a potential outbreak standing alongside
health officials who urged Americans to be
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prepared Saager Megami Washington the
corona virus has infected at least 82000
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people in more than 40 countries since
it emerged in China in late December
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Japanese prime minister Shinzo Abbate called
for schools to close for several weeks
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residents of South Sudan's oil rich ruling
County have petitioned the country's
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supreme court demanding millions of dollars
in compensation for oil spills that
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have polluted the environment lawyers
representing the ruling community filed the
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petition that the Supreme Court 3 weeks ago
following what they call repeated human
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rights violations by oil companies that
failed to maintain their pipelines which
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have burst numerous times spilling crude
oil into surrounding land and water
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residents say the oil leaks have caused
deformities in newborns children being born
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prematurely and deaths This
is video way news. The
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United States and the Taliban will sign an
agreement on February 29th at the end of
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a planned weeklong reduction and violence
in Afghanistan storing fresh hopes for an
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end to the protracted conflict
the agreement could represent
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a chance for peace and a pull
out of thousands of u.s.
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Troops that have been in
the country since u.s.
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Led forces ousted the hardline Islamist
Taliban from power in 2001 this comes at
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a time when Afghanistan's election body
declared incumbent Ashraf Ghani the winner
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of
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a disputed presidential election almost 5
months after voting took place in September
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of 2019 Kenyan police are calling on residents
of the country's northeast along the
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border with Somalia to do more to help them
combat out Shabaab militants especially
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for the sake of their teachers Mohammad
Yousuf reports the debate on the future of
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education in northeastern Kenya has entered
the corridors of Parliament us to just
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6 one's 1st areas outside the region the
teachers saw this commission an agency
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task with straining hiring and placing
instructors across the country said $42.00
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teachers have been killed since 2014
at the hands of Somali militant group
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al-Shabaab the head of
the commission assume
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a Sharia defended their withdrawal of
teachers from the terror hate areas in the
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Northeast it's true children need.
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To realize. Is something. In January
3 teachers were killed when
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a type can move their
primary school in chorus
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a county Mohammad Yousuf Avia news now
Robi the education of some 10000 school
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children in the Northeast hangs in the
balance as the local and national leaders
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search for solutions
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a British court is still considering whether
Julian Assange should be extradited to
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the u.s. To face espionage charges they
were keep Leaks founder could benefit from
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a growing wave of support across Europe
Nicholas Pinole has more from. So high
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profile case of Julian Assange has brother
number of lawyers who claim to defend
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the man who considers himself
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a whistleblower in friends one of the
members of his legal team wants President
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Emmanuel McCraw to rent her silent to
her son who is jelly London and faces
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extradition to the United
States Eric to palm already
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a well known French lawyer claims that your
own process is unfair to this with this
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he explains that the
United States want to have
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a political process and that freedom of
press is threatened with this case he says
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the Constitution of the United States
would prevent the prosecution of a u.s.
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Citizen for such facts if you bomb already
says the Us Supreme Court stated clearly
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in different decisions that freedom of
expression cannot be prosecuted as it is the
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case with us Ange nickel
has been all for v.o.a.
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News parents and I'm Joe Palca. Us.
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With Today is Thursday November 27th and
this is video is international edition I'm
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Jason Patinkin in Washington
coming up hip hop artist Jay z.
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Is helping soothe the u.s.
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State of Mississippi over conditions of
Prisons prisons are not safe for anyone.
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Plus protests and arrests in Canada over
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a pipeline on indigenous territory and
the latest on the covert $1000.00 corona
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virus outbreak Those
stories and more are next.
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The head of the World Health
Organization said Thursday it would be
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a quote fatal mistake and quote for any
country to assume it will not be hit by the
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new coronavirus w.h.o.
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Director general Tadros gibber
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a user also said that rich countries that
might have thought they were safer should
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expect surprises he also said the
covert 1000 outbreak is that
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a quote decisive moment and quote as
countries race to prepare Saudi Arabia on
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Thursday banned foreign pilgrims from
entering the kingdom to visit Islam's holiest
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sites over the new coronavirus potentially
disrupting the plans of millions of
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faithful ahead of the fasting month of
Ramadan and the annual harsh pilgrimage
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Meanwhile Iran confirms that infected cases
in the country spiked by over $100.00
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to $250.00 for those with the virus in
Iran now include Iranian vice president
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a total of $26.00 people have died so far
in the country the world's highest death
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toll outside China where the outbreak began
the global counts of those sickened by
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the virus hovered around 82000 with 433
new cases reported Thursday in China and
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505 more in South Korea where the military
called off joint drills planned with
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American troops and as the number of covert
1000 cases continues to jump in South
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Korea the spread of the virus is having an
effect on diplomatic and defense issues
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related to North Korea view
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a sole correspondent Bill Gallo briefed
my colleague Kate pound Dawson on the
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latest. Well about one week ago
there were only around 30 to 58
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inspection confirmed infection of the
corona virus in felt Korea and live today
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that number has shot up to 1766 today
was actually the biggest daily increase
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yet we saw over 500 new confirmed
infections. You know this is
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shooting up rapidly it's in part because
South Korea is very technologically
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advanced they're very proactive
it think they've tested
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a lot of people therefore they have
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a lot more confirmed cases however and
this is creating it than worry I wouldn't
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They panic but
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a sense of widespread worry and South
Korea and obviously worse and that the
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southeastern region near to the 4th
largest city but it is starting to spread
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in many different parts of
the country and not only
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a matter of time before it will be and every
region of the country. Now how is this
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affecting the relationship between North
Korea and South Korea North Korea so far
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as said it does not have any infections and
at the same time there's been an effort
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to build
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a different better run lay ssion ship
between the South and the north as well as
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the u.s.
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Effort to negotiate on North Korea's nuclear
weapons how does this factor into the
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mix Well the immediate result on the
nuclear talks is that they have just been
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absolutely slammed shut North Korea has
essentially log itself in from the outside
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world they've prevented any international
tourists from coming yes there is David
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going to because their border with China
what we are hearing from sources here in
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South Korea is that it has been weeks since
North Korean officials have been able
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to get actually get out and and meet
their counterparts whether that's u.s.
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Counterparts or European counterparts
they've essentially walled themselves in
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these talks and gone nowhere but
the interesting thing is the u.s.
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And South Korea were actually forced to
postpone and definitely there is no one
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Kerry exercises that were planned to start
next week the result of that is that
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there may be fewer
tension between the u.s.
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And North Korea these military exercises
of course with the source of great
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frustration by North Korea every year
when these appen they usually make
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a big rocket and. You something in response
to that test the missile have their own
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exercises that apparently will not
happen now but that doesn't mean that
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everything's Ok because North Korea very
worried about this and such and spreading
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within its own borders
when you mention the u.s.
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Forces there in South Korea we
do know that there is one u.s.
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Service member who's been affected how
is the coronavirus affecting the u.s.
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Military operations and life for the u.s.
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Military there's about 20000 troops plus
some family members civilian employees
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there is great concern that
this has reached the u.s.
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Military here in South Korea so far at
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a home only has infected one service member
2 other people who are linked to u.s.
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Bases here have been infected but the fact
that this virus is highly contagious and
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the fact that you have lots of
people living close together on u.s.
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Military bases sharing communal
housing sharing meals this is
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a situation that is possibly easy for
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a virus like this to spread so
there is great concern you seeing
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a lot of restrictions as far as who is
allowed access to the base who was allowed
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to leave the base
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a lot of businesses entertainment
sites and things like this on u.s.
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Military bases have either been closed
or restricted. That was ve always
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correspondent in Seoul Bill Gallo speaking
with editor Kate pounds Dawson Now
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President Donald Trump of the u.s.
Hold a news conference on the u.s.s.
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Preparations for the possible spread of the
novel coronavirus in that country among
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other items he named vice president Mike
Pence the head of the federal response
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Trump had
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a confident message for Americans but there
are some criticism of his administration's
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efforts so far for more we go live to view
ways Pepsi would like to Swara at the
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White House Hello Patsy Welcome to the
show my pleasure so Trump has been quite
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confident. You know he out of money that
that is being allocated by the federal
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government is lower than what some Democrats
and some others would like to see and
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this in some ways goes against what even
the World Health Organization says which
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is which is that even wealthy countries
need to really take this take this as
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seriously as possible is just trumps
confidence reflects the reality Well that's
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the thing that everybody's talking about
today after this very rare appearance by
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the president this is only his 2nd appearance
in the in the briefing room yesterday
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in his entire time in office so that
shows. Symbolizes how seriously he
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takes this issue at least the optics of
how he's handling it after the day before
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he was accusing the media of creating
panic and tanking the stock market so yes
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there was
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a huge push from the top an estrangement
from the president himself to reassure
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Americans that his administration
has under control there's
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a lot of downplaying that he said you know
he said that because of on that we've
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done the risk to American people
means very little and there's
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a chance that it will spread now these
things are actually contradictory to what
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his own officials on the same stage at the
same time are saying for example when we
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said that. We'll essentially have a flu
shot for this meaning a vaccine in
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a fairly quick manner
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a few minutes after that Anthony Fauci the
director of the National Institute of
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Allergy and Infectious Diseases said
that it would take at least 2 months to
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determine whether a vaccine is safe
and then another 8 months to conduct
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a largest study to see if it works so you
know a timeframe of at least close to
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a year the other thing that was being
questioned by journalists including
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myself we were able to ask questions to the
president and so I ask him the question
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why is the u.s.
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Only testing under 500 people so far and
only those who have traveled to China
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despite the global spread of
the virus and I am I asked
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a president whether he's planning to
test more people and he said that we're
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testing everybody that we need to test and
we're finding very little problem and
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then he goes on to say that we should treat
this the way we treat them through wash
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your hands
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a lot stay indoors when you're not feeling
well and so on so there's there's
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a lot of criticism about how the president
is handling this but yes you're right
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the administration is asking 2 and
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a half $1000000000.00 from Congress for
additional funding Now one thing that he
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did announce was that Vice President Mike
Pence would lead the federal response of
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course pumps really don't have any
medical background and in fact he's been
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criticized for his handling of n.h.i.
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Is the outbreak in his in the state of
Indiana when he was governor there is is he
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up to the task Yes that's another thing
that we question was that you know what is
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a vice president's Mike's Mike Pence
experience and handling the crisis and we also
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question the fact that the White House has
been fired for 2 days pushing reports
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that they were considering of appointing
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a coronavirus are to handle this and
yesterday at the briefing the president
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announce that he's appointing Mike Pence
to be the lead person into this replacing
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Alex asr the hitch as secretary and this
morning Mike Pence has just announced
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Ambassador Dan. The bricks to serve as the
throne of Irish response ordinator So
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Ambassador Burke said currently the State
Department courted Nadirah to combat HIV
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Aids and also a special representative
for Global Health diplomacy said there's
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a lot of. People are doing double or triple
roles in this administration so that's
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that's also coming into question as to how
prepared the administration is to deal
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with it got it that was
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a few ways Patsy would I could swear at
the White House thank you so much for
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joining us Patsy and pleasure thank you.
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Use the u.s.
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Government commission of politicizing
communal violence in New Delhi that killed at
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least 30 people and injured more than 200
as President Donald Trump was visiting
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the country earlier this
week on Wednesday the u.s.
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Commission on International Religious
Freedom said it was deeply troubled by the
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violence and cited accounts that police
had not intervened in attacks against
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Muslims Germany's highest court on
Thursday upheld the ban against
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a Muslim legal trainee who was wearing
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a headscarf while performing
certain official tasks in
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a $71.00 decision the Federal Constitutional
Court said that while the band does
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interfere with the woman's freedom of
religion it is justified in order to uphold
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a law that calls for quote neutral conduct
and quote by legal trainees when it
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comes to ideological and religious matters
and Turkey backed Syrian opposition
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fighters retold his strategic northwestern
town from government forces on Thursday
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that's according to opposition
activists that cuts off
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a key highway which just days after the
government had reopened it for the 1st time
00:17:07
since 2012 despite losing the town Syrian
President Bashar al Assad's forces have
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made major gains in the south he now
controls almost the entire southern part of
00:17:18
the present province after capturing
more than 20 villages Thursday that's
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according to state media and
opposition activists activists
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You're listening to v.o.a.
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News. This is such. A number
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of studies have previously linked the
consumption of sugary drinks with increased
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risks of death from a wide range of cars
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a new study published in The Journal of
the American Heart Association provides
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evidence that drinking around $355.00
millimeters of sugary drinks more than once
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a day is connected to
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a couple of factors that can contribute
to cardiovascular disease the study finds
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that among middle aged to older adults
drinking sugar sweetened beverages can lower
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levels of h.d.l.
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Or good cholesterol which helps remove bad
cholesterol from the bloodstream while
00:18:12
increasing levels of triglycerides another
type of fat found in the blood the study
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also shows that drinking mode calorie
sweetened beverages were up to 355
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millimeters of 100 percent fruit juice
every day it wasn't associated with
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increased risks or adverse effects of
elevated fats and cholesterol in the
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bloodstream I envy you
always right Banta Layo.
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This is international edition I'm Jason
Patinkin in Washington hip hop artist Jay
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z. Is backing
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a new lawsuit representing more than 150
inmates in the Mississippi prison system
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who say the state's in its
war yes parchment prison is
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a violent place where inmates live in
quote abhorrent conditions and quote 19
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inmates have died in the southern u.s.
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States prisons in the
last 2 months including
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a 36 year old who died Wednesday to find
out more about what's going on earlier
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earlier I spoke to Joe Neff
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a reporter for the Marshall Project which
investigates conditions in American
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prisons Well the problems in the Mississippi
prison system have been long in coming
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there's not enough prison guards to
guard the inmates last year we got to
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a point where you would have one correctional
officer at parchment watching maybe
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a $150.00 inmates in a dorm
oftentimes the guard is
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a woman in charge of keeping
control of $150.00 men and another
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issue is that the prisons have
always been dangerous and there's
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a lot of gang members in prison
you go to prison you join
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a gang because you need protection
so you put those 2 together
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a lot of prison gang members and very
little supervision and it's like
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a pressure cooker. The only way that
people can that the guards can maintain
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control is just to keep everyone locked
up all the time and then you have inmates
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inside of their cells or dorms who are
just don't get out of the cell to take
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a shower or go outside and breathe fresh
air to go to church or school the
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conditions are so bad that I talked to
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a number of correctional officers who have
been severely injured at these prisons
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that they are scared out of their minds
these prisons are not safe for anyone in
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the last 2 months there have been across
the Mississippi prison system 19 different
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inmates have died what is causing this
this really concerning outbreak of inmates
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dying killings many of them were between
rival gangs that just pressure has been
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festering some of them have been suicides
and there is very very poor mental
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health care in the prisons and in Mississippi
and some are the prison officials say
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well person died of natural causes I believe
that there are some drug overdoses in
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their medical care is really poor for an
inmate to get actually out of their cell
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out of their block and over to the clinic
can be almost an insurmountable obstacle
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and one of the prisons and southern Mississippi
in 2018 the prison had to cancel 70
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percent of scheduled medical visits
because they didn't have enough guards to
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escort the inmates from their cell out
to the clinic which is maybe just
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a couple 100 feet away I've talked to
people who work at parchment who said they
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were in a kitchen facility when
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a sewer broke and pretty soon their ankle
deep in sewage with feces bobbing around
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and this is in
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a facility where they're making food the
roofs leak the water facilities are
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terrible mold is everywhere.
They are really in
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a state of disrepair what can be done about
this on the one hand it seems like one
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solution could be hiring more guards I
don't think anyone is advocating that they
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expand the number of guards part of the
solution is just to fill all the vacancies
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that are there and another thing is just
that to how many people in prison actually
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need to be there Mississippi has some laws
which activists criticized as being too
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punitive 15 years for marijuana
convictions one of the things that the
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state needs to do is do all these people
need to be there many of them don't for
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Americans when we think of particularly
a facility like parchment prison it has
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a it has an untold story of
history and can you talk
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a bit about those connections between the
very problematic history in the American
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South and how that's related to the
crisis of the prisons today parchment is
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located in the middle of
the Mississippi Delta
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a huge place to grow cotton slaves grew
the cotton before the Civil War after the
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Civil War farmers would lease convicts to
work their farms under brutal conditions
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and parchment which is an $18000.00 acre
farm was started in the early part of the
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$900.00 and it's Ben this place
where largely black incarcerated
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population would work the
farm and grow food and for
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a long time to move the money maker for the
state budget so parchment is is an icon
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of racism and incarceration and subjugation
in the south there have been some
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lawsuits back in the seventy's eighty's
and and later trying to improve the
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horrible conditions there the past 5 years
it's just been slowly cheerier entering
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into now it's it's unfathomable to think
about being an inmate and that unit 29.
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Canadian police have arrested dozens of
people in recent days who were protesting
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the construction of
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a natural gas pipeline on traditional land
of the what's Whitten tribe in Canada's
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British Columbia province supporters of the
Indian it indigenous group have blocked
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major streets railways and ports around the
country demanding police trying to open
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the way for the pipeline to stand down on
Thursday the leader of the wetsuit and
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tribe whose lands the pipeline would run
through said he would meet with Canadian
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authorities the Globe and Mail
newspaper reported for more I spoke to
00:24:38
a journalist and
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a Roach who has been covering the protests
from Toronto there's going to be no time
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to negotiation on the side of the government
to renew blockades for the country and
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on the side of the u.s.
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So it into poll police force out of the
territory but at this point they're
00:24:53
meditates chief have met with
other government officials quite
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a few times and they've been trying to
meet with government officials for years
00:24:59
about this and so far they have found that
negotiation has been unsuccessful and
00:25:05
unproductive and the compromises that the
government was willing to make were not
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sufficient for them to
stand by when r.c.m.p.
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Offered to withdraw they offered to
withdraw if the blockade on with someone in
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territory was dismantled. And now
what has happened is that there's
00:25:24
a particularly. 8 Particularly
acrimonious fucking intend to make up in
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Ontario between Toronto on the trail. Has
announced that all the blockade must come
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down that blockade was read it was
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a pretty large contingent of the police
they made 10 arrests and that really
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triggered a whole new wave
office of the country there was
00:25:49
a blockade in Toronto where there were
00:25:51
a bunch of arrests there was that in
Vancouver there was stuff like Hamilton kind
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of all over the country so it and people
they and other indigent people throughout
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Canada have like consistently throughout
history experience like militarized police
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coming through and taking their land. And
that's what they see it happening right
00:26:10
now they see that police are trying to
come into their territory unauthorized and
00:26:15
arms to make way for
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a pipeline one of the demands has been
for the what's what and to tell their
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supporters to stand down to tell others to
stop protesting on their behalf to stop
00:26:25
blockading railways to stop blockading ports
and roads and other things and this is
00:26:30
something that the what's the what's and
has refused to do and why is that well
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that's because over throughout the
history of Canada existing as
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a country there's been
00:26:39
a 1000000 to go Sheesh and with indigenous
peoples that not really been abided by
00:26:44
when there were and I think that the
blockades that are happening right now are
00:26:49
kind of the only assurance that they have
that negotiations might actually happen
00:26:55
and so they don't want the blockade to go
down before negotiations because About
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happen the government doesn't necessarily
have incentive to try and address the
00:27:05
situation now you're in Serrano when there
have been some protests in Serrano that
00:27:10
you've been attending
you've been speaking to
00:27:12
a new numerous activists What is their
feeling like right now what are what are
00:27:16
they what are they saying right now and
what's their their attitude about about the
00:27:20
latest what we're seeing right now is
indigenous folks are claiming that
00:27:25
reconciliation is dead and that's really
historic because up until now the language
00:27:30
of reconciliation meaning
that it's a new era has
00:27:35
a history where like the Canadian government
is now going to try to reconcile and
00:27:38
make things right that idea was kind
of brought about in the ninety's and
00:27:42
a lot of indigenous people believing
in it and grew up believing that the
00:27:46
government was going to try to make
things right and so I think for
00:27:49
a lot of the young indigenous people who
are coming political Today recently
00:27:54
there's been kind of
00:27:54
a turning point where it's like No we
no longer believe that the Canadian
00:27:59
government is trying to reconcile the
idea that reconciliation is dead is
00:28:03
a new one and that is the historic for
Canada. That was journalist Anna Roche in
00:28:09
Toronto Canada speaking to me earlier
today the United Nations says Rohingya
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Muslims and other minorities in Myanmar
are experiencing an upsurge in violations
00:28:19
and abuse fueled by prejudice and hate
speech the un High Commission Commissioner
00:28:24
for Human Rights submitted
00:28:25
a report on the root causes of abuse in
Myanmar to the un human rights council Lisa
00:28:30
Schlender reports for v.o.a.
00:28:31
From Geneva that un rights chief Michel
Bashar Lay says that laws and policies
00:28:36
promoting discrimination and exclusion
against religious and ethnic minorities in
00:28:41
me and Mar have existed for more than half
00:28:43
a century notably the un human rights
chief said quote The 1902 citizenship law
00:28:49
rendered statelessness stateless
00:28:51
a significant proportion of the Rohingya
and other Muslims and quote oppression of
00:28:56
the stateless Muslim minority peaked in
August 2017 that was when violence and
00:29:01
persecution reported killings and
rape by the me and military triggered
00:29:05
a mass exodus of more than 700000 to
Bangladesh by chalet said other ethnic and
00:29:11
religious minorities across me and more
also suffer serious human rights violations
00:29:16
at the hands of the military she says
there counterinsurgency policies and
00:29:20
techniques at times have deliberately
targeted civilians nationally urged the
00:29:25
government to deescalate xenophobe it
discriminatory practices answer promote
00:29:29
interfaith and interethnic tolerance but
me and Mars and Bess are to the un in
00:29:33
Geneva Q Almost tune says his
government's efforts to achieve national
00:29:37
reconciliation reconciliation and peace
with ethnic armed groups are advancing but
00:29:42
he had transforming the country
from authoritarian rule to
00:29:45
a democratic federal union takes time that's
it for us today you've been listening
00:29:50
to international edition of The Voice of
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00:29:55
Tama and our engineer Patrick Day And I'm
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00:30:00
for listening and have
00:30:01
a great evening. But
00:30:23
even in and welcome to another edition of
Reporters Roundtable we're coming to live
00:30:28
from v.o.a.
00:30:28
Studios here in Washington Douglas simple
go this Him and He will talk about the
00:30:33
legacy of African autocratically does.
00:30:45
And with us tonight is my colleague give
me said my Korean managing guitar Vo is
00:30:49
Africa 54 welcome the show isn't always
00:30:52
a pleasure thank you well
come on joining us is
00:30:55
a sort of minimal He joins us from Dublin
South Africa as an independent political
00:30:59
analyst I want evidence of that much. Less
And do you think and I always double.
00:31:08
Sorry for you thank you very much for
your very much welcome as I said our talk
00:31:14
tonight looking at the legacy of Africa
as autocratic leader does just this week.
00:31:21
With Barca hold Egypt for almost 3 decades
after spending the last years of his
00:31:27
life facing charges of
financial corruption and
00:31:30
a collusion of the feuding over
depression protest us idea and
00:31:34
a month. For nearly a quarter
century marked by a depression and
00:31:40
a widespread corruption before even
today you did the term out but
00:31:44
a democracy and allowed the peaceful
transfer of power also died at the age of 95
00:31:50
both men married to see if the
state Barrios was in Barack.
00:31:57
Hard before our military on ice burial in
Cairo let me start with 1st of all your
00:32:04
comment given the track record of some
of our causes long sobbing little
00:32:08
practically dies who fall out of favor
India and their life but then later when
00:32:14
they die treated as saints Yes I think when
you look at all of those while there is
00:32:21
a common saying that you don't speak ill
of they plotted those who have died it's
00:32:28
you know to Dish and everywhere. But
it's also important to remember
00:32:35
that the citizens of every country. He
should be shown some respect some honest
00:32:41
some dignity when a person has ruled
over his citizens and you know brought
00:32:48
a lot of suffering to those citizens
and there is no. Meant of that by that
00:32:54
particular person by people close to him
by members of his whatever that was his
00:32:59
government of that time I think it is to
show dis Dain for the citizens who know
00:33:05
what they experienced and the leadership
of that particular person I've seen for
00:33:10
example the During the funerals like of
that Daniel that morning former political
00:33:16
dissidents or later met up with him and
join the government praise him and talk
00:33:21
about how they you know they shook hands
they took tea and ate together and they
00:33:27
forgive each other but what is lost in
all of this is that those leaders never
00:33:32
turned to the citizens and apologized
to them in very clear language for the
00:33:39
grinding poverty they subjected this people
to because of the plan during all of
00:33:45
the national wealth and for the impoverished
of the people because of certain
00:33:51
policies they never apologized in very
clear language for the people who are
00:33:57
killed and whose children were killed
who was wives who were raped during
00:34:04
political violence because of their
own actions and policies so while
00:34:11
you don't want to necessarily subject the
person was dieted to all this extreme you
00:34:17
know perhaps castigation of that point
I think in my view in respect of the
00:34:24
citizens of a country
00:34:26
a person's true actions during his
leadership should never be forgotten just
00:34:32
because he has died it
is good for it to be
00:34:34
a college that he cost soft.
To his fellow citizens and and
00:34:41
that he may have done one or 2
or 3 things but that should be
00:34:45
a clone least otherwise it is it does not
to motivate those away in power to do the
00:34:52
right thing because they know that all you
have to do is hold onto power until you
00:34:58
get up until you die and you will always
be considered a hero because it had
00:35:04
a saint and therefore they have no motivation
to do the right thing for them for
00:35:09
a minute if I agree with the
community center 100 percent
00:35:17
it is not in our culture in Africa
cross the border to talk poverty
00:35:24
says it is of course that is
00:35:27
a given but. What. What. We need
00:35:35
done the leaves no option to the African
people but to carry them. These
00:35:42
illegals the majority of them we have
to be very slow to that we have not
00:35:48
had really. I would really be given
00:35:52
a dissenting by your buddies starting
from the us from South Africa. Nelson
00:35:59
Mandela was given
00:36:00
a corner everybody because of what he did
for the country from the time we went to
00:36:06
prison from the time he started his trouble
to the time he passed away very 21
00:36:13
no one can say I was brutalized because
of Mandela hours my son was the was
00:36:19
shortened because prison Monday didn't
want to go because the men already in
00:36:26
Derek during the war that he was no it
was not for us was honorable preventing.
00:36:36
A leader within hours of.
Botswana we had to quit my silly
00:36:43
idea of horn edible fuel or in
any 2017 of these 2 we we we
00:36:49
begin to keep these people in the
dignity thing was nothing to. Eat about
00:36:56
so we have good leaders were being but
even. Looking me in Botswana Festus
00:37:03
Mogae was the president he was
00:37:06
a prisoner nobody nobody Q Why should
we not give you remit dissented
00:37:13
compared to the they did a 1000000000
over in dictator compared to
00:37:19
a brutal dictator what your legacy Do
they have all of them have got the same
00:37:25
legacy you can summarize
it in if you will be
00:37:28
a descent to the agreed the blue to the
corrupt the old days when the Aware
00:37:35
3 who has the population the leading
teams are poor so they don't deserve be
00:37:40
because the digging for themselves even
before the. I see they did the interesting
00:37:46
part. These are part of the Die For
instance they don't force anybody to praise
00:37:52
them when that did why do people who went
through. The rain like for instance in
00:37:59
Egypt. Barak. It was
00:38:04
a vice president for that when he took
power. For customs that your term stability
00:38:10
he maintained
00:38:10
a tight grip on society for the police I
mean created services during his years in
00:38:15
office he maintained that imagines
00:38:17
a law that gave his forces the ability to
arrest and detain without cause that's
00:38:22
a similar ruling Styron wants to Mongols
autocrats Yes people fair to face but then
00:38:28
when they pass they are people of all walks
of life praise them the best you have
00:38:35
to have to see to understand 1st
that everything that happens at the
00:38:42
national level of this country's
on the political systems is is
00:38:45
a political thing is political
and even at death they seem from
00:38:50
a political point of view and the political
class tries to find out how it can
00:38:56
benefit itself from this particular
event so for example when
00:39:02
a person dies they say present
died those who are even
00:39:09
former dissidents who brutalized by that
Jeem or jailed when they're talking on the
00:39:16
podium then they're actually not necessarily
in their heart of talking about how
00:39:22
great the person was their address
seeing their constituency that this man
00:39:27
represented they are thinking about how
they can capture this or this cause to
00:39:33
translate for their political gains and
therefore they will never jeopardize. That
00:39:40
particular selfish goal of someday
or immediately benefiting
00:39:46
from the people who are followers of this
person the only problem the big problem
00:39:52
is that while they're doing this they are
playing around with the minds of the
00:39:56
ordinary citizens because they try to
sanitize the image of his person for their
00:40:01
personal political ends and in the minds
of the other citizens maybe some of them
00:40:07
say oh perhaps he was actually a good
person perhaps he did great things for
00:40:13
a nation not realizing that the
political class kind of has
00:40:18
a common agenda each one of these is
looking for ways in which they can take
00:40:24
advantage of every situation for
political benefit now even for
00:40:30
those same aged 2 part of the military
system we know the Tolson Mubarak was
00:40:35
a military guy the Army guys the military
guys are doing this for themselves for
00:40:41
them as far as they're concerned this is
00:40:42
a military leader for them
they see this country from
00:40:45
a different perspective the Army see is
the citizens us enemies in some of those
00:40:51
countries as weather could crack down and
clamp down on ordinary citizens and so
00:40:57
they make sure that they honor the person
because they would like to be given the
00:41:03
same kind of honor tomorrow you just have
to look and find out who is the current
00:41:10
leader of Egypt for example is
00:41:12
a military guy you know he would want to
be given the same honor by the fellow
00:41:17
military men so it's some of the things
you have to see them from the political
00:41:21
context that everything is done and
not necessarily for the citizens of
00:41:25
a country but for the benefits in media
and future of those in the political
00:41:32
class. You know what about no decent work.
00:41:42
After. More than 2 in the year after the
00:41:49
year. She was just. 20 years is
00:41:55
a long time 30 years in the long time we
did in these 30 years many of these people
00:42:02
within the ruling class uprooted is of
the same media you will find that for
00:42:07
example in Kenya who was who
reached yet or was made by
00:42:11
a movie he had to pick team he groomed beam
now he dies at the time when he was is
00:42:18
the president of Kenya so he
has an obligation to give him
00:42:23
a he will see the galleys of what he
puts it and because it and then he
00:42:29
raises even
00:42:31
a deal says the easy easy easy procedure
that he should have been promoted by
00:42:37
Mubarak himself the same color
as Mugabe. Goes undetected by
00:42:43
Mugabe himself so he has to see
Mary Mary's was also from the
00:42:50
same political party which he surfaced
at least to so if he decides he has to
00:42:56
giving the hero heroes the heroes you
know so regardless of what happens these
00:43:03
people are within 30 years of the of 'd the
dictators who have taken power because
00:43:10
many of these places where we have seen the
leaders coming from we have not had be
00:43:15
fundamental change we have little had the
proper evolution even in Egypt where
00:43:20
evolution was done was done by the ordinary
people it was hijacked and taken today
00:43:27
for example you may not be shocked that in
the future but she will be rehabilitated
00:43:33
because the generals are still hanging
around the corridors of power in the Sudan
00:43:41
so long as the people who are in
power power brought in power brought
00:43:47
boats for millions by those dictators they
will still continue to get the heroes
00:43:53
sure. To be argued you. Also
should feel kind of reinforce that
00:44:00
point you look around for example when you
observe this funerals taking place and
00:44:06
other politicians in these places was
speaking. Each of them take the case of Kenya
00:44:13
each of those
00:44:14
a small called used to be one of those
some of the most kind of the most and
00:44:19
critics of prison Moyo and they clearly
stated that they went to the state house
00:44:27
they made out with this guy with his with
the president they had tea together it
00:44:33
together. What does that tell you because
some of them ended up being brought into
00:44:40
the fold and personally benefiting
from that particular every Jeem
00:44:47
some of them joined the government of that
time some of them when even if they did
00:44:51
not join benefited in one way or another
so what they failed to tell the citizens
00:44:57
is that this was
00:44:58
a personal benefits this will pass in the
games and they make it look like this
00:45:05
was good for the country but it wasn't
because those regimes never changed just
00:45:11
because they may have made
peace with an individual from
00:45:15
a dissident Ok Minister
Well we're going to take
00:45:17
a short break Bach to want their discussion
of the legacy of Africa autocratically
00:45:23
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I mean to live from v.o.a.
00:46:30
Studios here in Washington tonight we're
discussing the legacy of Africa's
00:46:35
autocratic leader as my colleague said
my Koreans remind me what on independent
00:46:40
political analyst and I mean horse about
glass simple guy here in studio one
00:46:45
gentleman we you just alluded all of you
that to maybe this is somebody dies has
00:46:50
been
00:46:50
a not. Dictate the product of the Dow he
passes but this is him remains he does yeah
00:46:57
but then. How about the people the victims
we talk about because like in media
00:47:02
people die Yeah Ok but. They try to charge
them in court and then appealed under
00:47:09
thing went away and people
died on the streets in
00:47:12
a more years time that people actually
who died people kind of hateful died and
00:47:16
that they sort of remain mysteries what
what's the fate of the victims and what how
00:47:20
do they feel and I'm sorry let me just
quickly jump in. Because I wanted to
00:47:25
conclude that thought and this is where I
say that the political class is just one
00:47:31
whether they're in the opposition eventually
they're looking for ways to come into
00:47:35
the system and when they get personal gains
from they recall actions they make with
00:47:42
his you know political they're from
00:47:44
a political rivals or falls they make it
look like create is for the benefit of the
00:47:50
citizens because at the end of the day there
is not one person who was too down on
00:47:57
any podium and acknowledged the suffering
of the ordinary citizens throughout those
00:48:03
years of someone's leadership nobody
says this was bad. People suffered and
00:48:10
people died and I'm not saying that in
this funerals all that should be said is
00:48:14
about houses you know people suffer and die
but that should be acknowledged people
00:48:20
should not pretend that it never happened
and you make this week the sayings and
00:48:24
heroes and and just praise them from
morning till evening there should be an
00:48:30
acknowledgement and if possible the
government have of that day should then
00:48:34
recommitted self to compensating people
who probably lost alone during that
00:48:40
bridging and commits to never ever allowing
that kind of leadership in the country
00:48:46
because by sanitizing the image of that
person you are telling those who are in
00:48:52
power today you never have to do
anything right you never have to be
00:48:57
a good leader because at the end of the
day people will forget all the terrible
00:49:02
things you did and they will be singing
praises to you and them you know so what so
00:49:07
they'd I think it is for the sake of the
citizens and the future of our country I
00:49:13
say. There are some some people
have argued that this kind
00:49:20
of scenario this state of affairs force
is suddenly does on the continent who are
00:49:26
quite committing atrocities who are making
the people suffer badly try this policy
00:49:31
that policy insurance policy is how you
want to power until whatever until you die
00:49:38
it preserves. It is true
unless the corn in it.
00:49:46
Takes is done. Since. And we see
that we showed in the under the
00:49:53
carpet. Yes yes it should
be. So there should be.
00:50:02
Core people are still creating.
When gets to the end
00:50:09
when so many souls sent So Hussein hybrid.
00:50:16
Hybrid record because the people and the
people went and testified people put cases
00:50:23
Seldon's of people went to have justice
done so in South Africa we have the case
00:50:29
of Malema was forced out of Poland because
he was saying he doesn't want to read
00:50:35
the last. Printed them because he
never accepted much as we keep
00:50:42
quoting to Malema and the. He pretended
that he appreciated the pain
00:50:49
which was made out to the people of South
Africa but the young people feel justice
00:50:54
was not
00:50:55
a ban and. They assume many and people all
over the continent who feel that these
00:51:01
people should not be left sports
related that Moyes should not
00:51:05
a good to be real and then
just shown. Me I mean.
00:51:12
As recent as when he was still in power the
other day and then to the guns and the
00:51:17
. Recent say the continent needs to take
00:51:22
a stand they come for aid which is being
shown in the funeral is a country where
00:51:28
a certain small group because the of benefited
from the system justice needs to be
00:51:33
done and if it is not done that is why
dear is growing clamor for the change of
00:51:39
leadership from the old regards to the
young people the young people want to take
00:51:45
over the continent they can see the old
ones they are still recycling and the even
00:51:51
encouraging boomers who are still in power
the civilians of this world. This world
00:51:57
can you. Clearing more people because
they know. Very clearly that you did.
00:52:04
And you will be and when they bury.
Their heroes you know and also I
00:52:11
think it should be
00:52:12
a clear message also even to the families
of this people their close friend
00:52:19
that your father your grandfather
your close friend your uncle goes
00:52:26
down as a person who was not
00:52:27
a hero in this country. It should never
be made it so light for the families and
00:52:34
the friends to to kind of think of the
member of the family as having been
00:52:39
a great person when they won the war
not because it means they will never
00:52:42
themselves lawn. From this bad leadership
so you've seen some of this their family
00:52:49
members want to get into leadership they
are members of parliament senators and
00:52:53
they don't even once they say they
will not stop to say wow. Our
00:53:00
father went down as
00:53:02
a person who did so much damage to our
country but instead they're made to believe
00:53:06
our father was the greatest hero of our
country when he was not it is actually not
00:53:12
fair because this should be used as examples
to say to tell the nation that have
00:53:18
you caused so much suffering to
00:53:21
a country. We will not forget and we
will need die when that person goes down
00:53:28
there shall be
00:53:29
a mention of how much damage they did to
the country so that history posterity will
00:53:35
know that this person was not
00:53:37
a hero and even enough he did certain
things then he should just oppose them and
00:53:43
say well he probably did 1234 things which
are good for the country but he also
00:53:50
did the Sabbath things which the country
should learn from and never ever accept
00:53:56
from any leader today and into the future
so when you forget about those and just
00:54:02
sanitize the person completely those who
are in power will not be motivated to do
00:54:08
the right things because they everybody
learn from what they see around them yeah
00:54:14
so our judgment as well as when down to
the discussion. Some of Saito suggested
00:54:19
that if you put term limits everywhere on
the continent that's sort of the problem
00:54:24
because now you'll sell 5 years or 10
and get out of the way leaving room for
00:54:29
whoever comes in to put you to task if you
committed something wrong because in the
00:54:34
current situation you just outplay time out
if I just have to keep and keep on keep
00:54:38
on until there's nothing to mar counting
would be both of you to begin his visit
00:54:44
there would tumble
00:54:45
a meeting with President
help. Before he said
00:54:52
that I wanted to know what.
About the. People who
00:54:59
didn't get it and. Yes. We had.
00:55:08
Who was crying on the vision being
interviewed and sure thing her husband
00:55:15
was killed 34 years ago by the apathy b.g.
00:55:21
I'm sure one operative over
there in the she. Husband was.
00:55:28
All the way nice was the Lamb the way the
way to protect him entered this was land
00:55:34
under such
00:55:35
a method and she was crying and she was
saying she had moved through all the
00:55:41
stories she was saying had to be in
00:55:44
a still angry we wanted to know who
knew the whole cutie their father
00:55:51
and she wants to know who killed their
father recall those people who are still
00:55:56
alive she wants another which was good so
these scenes are not closed is really the
00:56:01
way the agents were preventing the brilliant
people he breeding people need just
00:56:08
so we should not praise these people instead
they should open up and find the real
00:56:13
. People are there people to report which
of. Obviously within 10 years many
00:56:19
readers have not committed any crime leaders
are still trying to put things right
00:56:25
Will it be the leader that will present
praying to Queen that it will be
00:56:29
a lead in after 10 years that is we're
all after after the 2nd town that we are
00:56:35
seen to go wrong so if there is
00:56:38
a time limit for show leadership leadership
will be better than what it is that is
00:56:44
where you see that all these
leaders were the rotary that. The.
00:56:51
Syrian is the one with so then will all
of them have blood on their hands because
00:56:57
they have gone for so many. So one of the
solution as you have said in determining
00:57:03
and and the examples I mean
look at a country for example
00:57:07
a logical. A country like Tanzania which
after in your area who was actually
00:57:12
a very popular and simple you know edge of
his country you know is that after that
00:57:19
they went in
00:57:20
a democratic system you know as much as the
country's been ruled by just one party
00:57:24
and you cannot remember any of those
presidents who have come after and yet it has
00:57:30
having cost downs and you so much damage
in fact they've been trying to fix the
00:57:33
country because it wasn't
00:57:35
a socialist system so they were talking
about them. Because they were not in power
00:57:41
for too long at the have not done so much
damage that you would be thinking so much
00:57:47
about about them in
00:57:48
a negative way you know as much
as they may not have performed in
00:57:51
a stellar way same case if you look at
for example countries like South Africa
00:57:56
because of the you know the level of their
type of democracy after of course after
00:58:00
the apartheid in mind there was there for
just one term and then even if they voted
00:58:05
him out you know he wasn't long enough
to do so much damage term limits help to
00:58:13
indeed to limit the damage
00:58:15
a person can do to their country because
there's only so much you can do within 10
00:58:20
years and even days that fear that are
5000 my time I live here if I commit to
00:58:24
a trust is maybe helpful I can't yes when
you're out of town yeah well gentlemen.
00:58:31
So all the time we have for this edition
The report has it on table thanks to my
00:58:35
colleagues and McCrory mileage and get
it always after 54 I'm sorry Madam
00:58:41
independent political analyst best in the
bunch of Africa gentlemen once again
00:58:45
thanks so much for being
on the show it's been
00:58:47
a pleasure our producer visuals Dan
Brown there were you know at night was
00:58:51
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00:58:55
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